tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post1386050148761256585..comments2023-10-29T08:58:12.172-04:00Comments on Prone to Whimsy: P2W Purity Watch: Imus + Girls Gone WildJenny Jenny Flanneryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621715431584059448noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-30379320031880343312007-04-29T12:21:00.000-04:002007-04-29T12:21:00.000-04:00I think a lot of this whole mess is in the individ...I think a lot of this whole mess is in the individual perspective. Because race and gender and words mean something different to everyone, it's hard to come to an agreement on these kinds of things. Example, seeing GGW as mysogynistic versus seeing GGW as something that people have to buy on video because flashing tits doesn't happen that way in real life. AND it's also edited, so you're only seeing the "cream of the crop", no pun intended. If a girl knows better, crap like this doesn't have to become an influence.gennifer6https://www.blogger.com/profile/12056581384747747528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-50856876564658733982007-04-25T13:04:00.000-04:002007-04-25T13:04:00.000-04:00Beckeye - Pardon my misread, I'm stupid that way.Beckeye - Pardon my misread, I'm stupid that way.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346141872333392855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-29555812575570783142007-04-25T12:10:00.000-04:002007-04-25T12:10:00.000-04:00Hey Phil, I'm not surprised these girls received d...Hey Phil, I'm not surprised these girls received death threats from crazy Imus lovers, but I said one of the girls said his remarks <I>scarred</I> her for life. That was what I found a little crazy. But I suppose if she's talking about all the fallout from this, and not just the comment, then I guess I can understand that.BeckEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00119780316809151433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-71804110803027343042007-04-25T09:20:00.000-04:002007-04-25T09:20:00.000-04:00Phil: According to Newseek, NBC's employees pulled...Phil: According to Newseek, NBC's employees pulled together and demanded Imus be fired. I'm sure losing advertising had something to do with it, but outrage throughout the staff finally did him in. <BR/><BR/>I think it's important to clean up our behavior every now and then. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I don't think for a moment that that means everyone can say what they want anytime. I don't think society could hold together if we were all saying nasty things to one another, or rather one group in the majority were constantly sniping at other minorities. It's verbally abusive and causes all kinds of problems. <BR/><BR/>Demeaning others can lead to dehumanizing them. And dehumanizing a sector of the population gives the powers that be opportunities to treat them like animals or worse. It's important to call foul at this point and reevaluate what's socially acceptable, lest we go the way of Nazi Germany.Jenny Jenny Flanneryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621715431584059448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-47434873784614410922007-04-24T21:55:00.000-04:002007-04-24T21:55:00.000-04:00Beckeye - It does sound silly that a Rutgers playe...Beckeye - It does sound silly that a Rutgers player would say they were scared for their life, but it's true. The sports area of the blogesphere still talks about this and it been widely reported that they all have been recieving death threats from crazed Imus fans.<BR/><BR/>I go back and forth on Imus. Clearly he was fired not for his comments but the loss of advertisements for his show. But I find it concerning our urge to silence this type of speech rather than debate it.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346141872333392855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-19891658523524692462007-04-24T19:04:00.000-04:002007-04-24T19:04:00.000-04:00Was happy to hear Imus got the boot and ECSTATIC t...Was happy to hear Imus got the boot and ECSTATIC to hear Joe Francis was jailed. Effers. Both of 'em.<BR/><BR/>People need to be accountable for their actions...even when the pain they inflict is emotional.K.I.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14538132693098384335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-8481543230355222552007-04-24T18:20:00.000-04:002007-04-24T18:20:00.000-04:00I never listen to Imus either, so I can't really c...I never listen to Imus either, so I can't really comment on how much of a jerk he is. I do know that all of this started because he initially said something about the basketball players being tough with tattoos and such, and the producer of the show said they were "hardcore hos" to which Imus replied with the "nappy headed hos" comment. I can't figure out why no one is screaming about the producer. I guess it's because he's not a big media personality. And the comments were out of line, but it's really blown up to insane proportions. One of the girls actually said she was scarred for life. Scarred by one remark from a grizzled old wannabe cowboy? Come on. I've been called much worse and my life isn't over. And then when Snoop Dogg defended how rappers use the word "ho" in proper context within their songs, I just wanted to tape my ears shut so I wouldn't have to hear about this anymore. <BR/><BR/>As for Joe Francis, ugh. He's just a disgusting little opportunist. Maybe he'll be forced to perform stripteases and masturbate in front of all the other prisoners. I guess that would be fitting punishment. He'd better hope that's all they do to him!BeckEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00119780316809151433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-68053490527005212892007-04-24T16:50:00.000-04:002007-04-24T16:50:00.000-04:00I like what Ron White has to say about women's bre...I like what Ron White has to say about women's breasts: <BR/><BR/>"If you've seen one set, you pretty much want to see the rest..."<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I'm happy to judge Imus.Jenny Jenny Flanneryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621715431584059448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-92117833948500928252007-04-24T16:42:00.000-04:002007-04-24T16:42:00.000-04:00Flann- I agree. Imus said bad stuff many times an...Flann- I agree. Imus said bad stuff many times and it may have been intentional and malicious. I think only Don Imus knows in his heart for certain. While it's too bad that it took so long for people to realize his true colors, I still have a problem, personally, with judging him. This is by no means an endorsement of the things he said. Race and gender are absolutely substantive issues, but in my opinion, this one slur is but a small part of the bigger picture. I noticed that a bunch of pundits said things like "the positive thing to come of this is that now we can have an open debate about race and gender", as if we couldn't before. Notice the debate has kinda slid off the radar along with the Imus story, at least from what I can tell.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I don't think men wanting to see naked breasts is going to stop anytime soon. I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to be realistic.Some Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06899082993897012313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-68996532026570318712007-04-24T16:16:00.000-04:002007-04-24T16:16:00.000-04:00Flannery, thank you. I just inhaled an Oreo McFlur...Flannery, thank you. I just inhaled an Oreo McFlurry and now must go sleep it off.<BR/><BR/>:)Tanya Espanyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15608494032531056424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-55980290746191878872007-04-24T16:05:00.000-04:002007-04-24T16:05:00.000-04:00Chris: Imus didn't say these kinds of things once ...Chris: Imus didn't say these kinds of things once and a while, though, he made a habit of being an "equal opportunity maligner". It's not a matter of a slip of the tongue, in my opinion. It's intentional and malicious. <BR/><BR/>I think race and gender issues are substantive issues. As far as war goes, I think the sleeping giant of public opinion is waking up, especially with presidential elections on the way. Hopefully, people will start fussing like this about the war. Then again, most people these days seem to be pretty cranky about the war, but the administration doesn't seem to be listening. <BR/><BR/>I'm not so worried about the naked body being dirty...it's the whole "show me your tits" mentality, that girls are using their bodies as the only way to get any kind of validation and attention. I'm not against nudity, per se. I'm against exploitation. But you're right; it's a free country. Maybe someday people will lose interest in this kind of thing and ventures like GGW will fade away. <BR/><BR/>Tanya: I think you make sense. I think the whole industry is unhealthy and preys on girls who have no sense of self worth.Jenny Jenny Flanneryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621715431584059448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-29020395496442530082007-04-24T13:59:00.000-04:002007-04-24T13:59:00.000-04:00I have mixed emotions about this. There is no dou...I have mixed emotions about this. There is no doubt that the Rutgers girls did not deserve what they got from Imus. It's just that I'm sure there have been times where I have said something mean to someone that was unwarranted. I like to follow the whole "he who is without guilt..." mantra. This is a rare case where I rely on the free market to help sort things out. In this case it worked. There was a backlash and Imus saw what his actions resulted in. I just wish that there was more of this when it comes to what I consider substantive issues, like war and how we treat those living in need.<BR/><BR/>As far as the GGW guy, it sucks that he's been able to exploit so many, but ultimately people have free will. If he broke laws, he should be punished, but there is desire to buy his stuff and a willingness to be filmed. I don't know what you do about that. Plus there is the whole issue of the naked body being considered a dirty thing that needs to be hidden that I have some qualms about, but that is a whole other discussion. <BR/><BR/>Sorry if this irks people. I mean no offense and can certainly understand why this stuff is upsetting.Chris Hinrichshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00262124442948046064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11315807.post-81486288508052229152007-04-24T13:09:00.000-04:002007-04-24T13:09:00.000-04:00Ugh, those guys are gross. I especially can't stan...Ugh, those guys are gross. I especially can't stand the greasy Joe Francis.<BR/><BR/>Yes, we can fling our boobies and call it feminism but I think it's misleading. Yes, fine pay your way through law school while stripping. But it's upsetting to hear women say, "Poor girl was abused, so of course she became a stripper!" without realizing that if girls weren't encouraged to strip and flash, guys wouldn't think that was a the norm, and maybe the abuse/victimization would not happen as often.<BR/><BR/>God, I'm rambling like a lunatic and I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say anymore, except I like what you wrote and how you said it.Tanya Espanyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15608494032531056424noreply@blogger.com